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Post by Indians on Mar 29, 2007 23:03:02 GMT -5
The problem of course is that Morales hasn't pitched above A ball. Stuff is one thing, how you handle advanced hitters is another. Saying he "flashes" plus secondary pitches is always a flag to me that he is extremely raw and isn't even close to repeating his delivery yet.
I won't say its a stretch to think those pitchers will reach the major leagues but the chances of either of them being a #1 let alone another Halladay are extremely slim, regardless of stuff.
Rockies GM's high on a pitcher doesn't say a whole lot to me, atleast until they actually produce more than one from that system.
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Post by Giants on Mar 30, 2007 2:58:25 GMT -5
Just my opinion, and I'm a newbie to SIM leagues, but my experience in fantasy sports and baseball in general has led me to believe that people who have knowledge of minor leaguers also are more well-versed in major leaguers. If there is a deal involving minor leaguers that looks lop-sided, well perhaps there needs to be more research done to see the other side of the deal.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - if I think team A gets the best of Team B in a deal, my first thought is Team A made a good deal deal, not Team B is a dumb-ass.
If you think there are bad trades going on, then be a predator and feast on your prey instead of just be-oching about it and acting like a victim.
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Post by draysgm on Mar 30, 2007 7:17:11 GMT -5
89 BB is what's not to like, shows a lack of command. If he keeps walking 5 guys a game, he's not gonna be more than 5th starter who throws hard. For this trade to work one of these guys is going to have to become an ace. I see the bar has been raised. At first the claim was the Brewers GM would be lucky if Inman or Morales "turns into an average major league starter" - not one of them has to "become an ace." A prospect is just a prospect until he is not either by maturing to the major league level or due to lack of ability, injury, lack of desire, a combination of any or all these elements, etc. he just doesn't make it. Even within the realm of prospects there is a tiering system which is dynamic, i.e., constantly changing depending on a number of factors including both results and potential among other factors. My point was specific in this case ... it is premature and inaccurate to say that Morales is unlikely to become at least an average major league SP. He is 20 years old and blowing away his peers. He is learning to become a pitcher rather then a hard thrower. Scouting Book, rating him the 67th best prospect overall wrote: 67. Franklin Morales LHP, COL One of several live arms currently making their way through the Colorado system, left-hander Franklin Morales might someday be the best of the bunch... one thing is for sure, he's the most exciting. Able to dial his fastball up to 98 mph while pitching mostly at 94-95, Morales also features a well above average curveball and a much improved changeup over a year ago. Of course, he also has the kind of control that makes it easy to imagine him leading the league in walks, and working with runners on base is not the easiest thing for a young pitcher to deal with. Keep an eye on him, but be thinking about 2009 while doing so. Baseball Prospectus ranks him at #33 Baseball America ranks him at #30 Sports Illustrated ranks him at #58 Prospects Plus ranks him at #44 Could he get hurt ... hell yes. Look at the Dodgers' Miller or the Brewers' Rodgers. Could he turn out to be a real stud ... the potential is much more apparent and recognized by experts in the field then it is with hundreds of other minor league SPs.
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Post by cardinals on Mar 30, 2007 8:12:11 GMT -5
Rick Ankiel was the #1 prospect in all of baseball....
oh, wait
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Post by Administrator on Mar 30, 2007 8:29:33 GMT -5
Very well put Kelly and in the end that is the theme of this league.
That said, I am always fearful that we are setting ourselves up for competitive balance issues in the future and that is why I think trade review and discussions are necessary. Not so much to overturn deals but to hopefully make GM's think a little bit more before they make a deal.
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Post by angelsgm on Mar 31, 2007 21:48:28 GMT -5
I have no problem with this trade. Although I don’t personally agree with the concept of a league having a “win now’ mentality, I accept that it is so. Nonetheless, as a couple of other GM’s have pointed out, if you are simply not good enough to win now or even compete (as is the case of my Angels), then you simply must plan to improve your team for the future. The Brewers received 3 solid front line prospects and a very decent young OF in Ethier that can help now. Good deal for both sides in my opinion.
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Post by cardinals on Mar 31, 2007 23:32:58 GMT -5
Inman is not frontline.
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Post by draysgm on Apr 1, 2007 6:02:49 GMT -5
Franklin Morales is considered to be "frontline" ... in case anyone still doubts it turn to page 18 in the current issue of Baseball America and read on ...
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Post by cardinals on Apr 1, 2007 12:22:33 GMT -5
Did I say Morales wasn't? He is considered to be, but what of his command issues? What of his future in Colorado?
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Post by angelsgm on Apr 1, 2007 12:51:06 GMT -5
3rd best prospect on the Brewers by both BA and Minor League Ball, and regularly shows up in top 100 pverall lists. I would consider this "frontline".
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Post by cardinals on Apr 1, 2007 17:33:05 GMT -5
no, that is not a "frontline" prospect. a Frontline prospect is Homer Bailey, Philip Hughes, Alex Gordon, delmon Young, and even Brandon Wood despite the K's. Those are front line guys. Where is Inman on BA's top 100? Barely on it. Morales isn't even frontline, Tulowitzki is the best prospect in Colorado.
I guess the 3rd best prospect in the Nats org. is frontline too then? How about Dellin Betances, is he frontline? Blake Hawksworth? Frontline?
Pedro Beato? Frontline?
Drew Stubbs?
Your definition of frontline prospect is beyond wack.
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Post by Orioles on Apr 1, 2007 17:42:19 GMT -5
Easy on the Orioles draft picks, Beato and Stubbs. I might have to utilize them in a trade. Are you interested?
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Post by Washington Nationals on Apr 2, 2007 20:16:44 GMT -5
I am personally tired of reading your whinings about this trade, the only way to evaluate a trade is to wait and see. If halladay goes down next week and has season ending or career ending injury, are you going to complain that the brewers got 3 prospects and a young outfielder for nothing and we need to review that?
Prospects are, as we all know never a sure thing and people rate them very differently (even the so-called experts) the best thing a rebuilding team can do is get as many as possible and hope some work out.
Just get over it, you had the same chance to get halladay as everyone else, you didn't step up to the plate (excuse the horrible pun).
Please just end it, the trade is done!
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