Padres/Brewers Trade

[Administrator]

San Diego sends

Andre Ethier
Evan Longoria
Will Inman
Franklin Morales

to Milwaukee for

Roy Halladay
Sean Rodriguez

This trade is approved and in the database.

[bishdaddy]

I thought this was a "win-now" league. How are the Brewers winning now by sending Halladay away for a corner OF projected at 302/367/467? We need a trade committee.

[astrosgm]

Even if this is a win now league there are some teams that now that's not possible. So when you know you don't have a chance of winning now, you build for the future. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Giants]

Much like Jason after I acquired Vlad Guerrero, my only objection to this deal is that Halladay will now be pitching against me in my division. Other than that I really have no problem with the deal. As Jason said after my Vlad deal, I can have my own opinion on the deal, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm right.

It seems like every trade lately has been questioned by a GM or two. While some may think this means we need a trade committee, my opinion is that the opposite is true. The fact that all these trades are questioned is proof that there are many different opinions on particular players by our GMs, therefore a trade committee at this point would potentially be preventing GMs from making good-faith deals.

[Administrator]

This was the first trade that made me think a little bit but rather than reject a deal, my thought was to let the process take its course, approve it and if the league didn't like it there is a mechanism to reverse it.

[padresgm]

I don't need to defend Larry for his actions, but consider:

He's not going to win the wild card, and he's not going to win his division. The wild card is coming out of the NL West this year.

With that said, if you're not making the playoffs, it doesn't make any difference whether you lose 75 games or 95 games, you're still not in the playoffs.

Halladay was one of the only tradeable pieces on the Brewers. They are pretty much shot for useful talent. Larry made a conscious decision to build for next year. Morales is a top tier pitching prospect, and he's already in the db. Inman is almost a top tier pitching prospect, and he'll be in the db next season. Longoria will be in the db next season, and should get a Kouzmanoff-like projection with the way he's hit so far. Ethier is a corner OFer who has a starting job in the majors, and already has a real nice projection.

Keeping Halladay on the Brewers in the name of "winning now" is completely foolish. There's no chance every team in the IYFBL can win now. As Andres said before, there's some teams that just don't have the resources. It's a different philosophy, but just because it's not your philosophy, doesn't mean it's wrong...

[cardinals]

Alright....this trade is even more ridiculous and egrecious than that Oakland nutsfest that was called a trade a few weeks ago.


Roy Halladay is probably one of the top 5 pitchers in the game. Most would put him in their top 5, and if not top 5, then right friggin up there. There's no reason to even bother listing his credentials. His value is among the top players in the league. Aces don't grow on trees, especially aces that project for 67% GB and aces who rarely issue walks.

What did Milwaukee get in return for one of the top pitchers in the league? Hardly anything, and only ONE! (1!) MLB player for one of the top pitchers in the game.

It would be entirely different to me if Milwaukee acquired somebody like Alex Gordon, Homer Bailey, Philip Hughes in the deal- you know, players that will have an immediate impact this season as prospects, and legit "real deal" prospects (or as real deal as a prospect can get at this point.) Franklin Morales? A solid, very very good prospect. #30 on BA's top 100. However his command is suspect. 89 BB in around 150 IP last year in AA. Not really a good sign of things to come. Sure you can succeed with minimal command (Carlos Zambrano) but is every pitcher Zambrano? No. We have no idea how he'll do in the MLB, especially in Colorado given his command issues. He's in the database this year...who cares? His projection is crap, so he might as well not even be in the database...

...which is where Evan Longoria is. He "should get a Kouzmanoff-like projection next year." Who knows if that'll happen? He's never played above AA. He could completely falter in the next step up the food chain. He could suck in the MLB. He is an unproven commodity, of course every prospect is, but especially a draftee from last year. Would I LOVE to have Longoria? yeah. at the price of Roy HAlladay? Hell no.

Will Inman is essentially a toss in. Small frame, hasn't played above A- ball, who cares.

So one MLB player, a prospect whos not in the database and a lefty with Command issues with Coors as his future home, and an A- baller for one of the best pitchers in the league?

Yeah, right

[Administrator]

Note: By league rules it takes 70% of the GM's not involved in the trade, or 20 total, objecting to a deal to force a league vote.

[oakland]

Well since my name got thrown around in that last message, i just couldnt resist. For one I cant wait to see the Cardinals next trade if he even ever does one, beacuse that thing is gonna get picked apart like grandmas thanksgiving turkey. Secondly I am no major or minor league scout, as are any of us, yet when i saw this trade i thought "where the hell is Cardinals on this shiat!" I would veto the trade based on common knowledge alone. I have to admit (i know JP is gonna get a woody over this) i dont know a lot of the prospect guys or how they will wind up doing but my first reaction to this trade was "Holy shiat, I only know one name invloved in this trade", and that name being Halladay. Now I know that doesnt say alot but it at least made me speculate on the trade a little more, and read more into it. I myself couldnt give up my ace, let alone a top 5 pitcher in the league for any number of those guys. For one he's a pitcher, and anyone familiar with this sim, knows that pitching is just a tad important (see Rangers). My opinion is that it should be vetoed based on the amount of complaints and of course due to the fact that JP thought it was a worse trade than mine.

[Mets GM]

If for no other reason, the problem with this trade is that it makes the team less attractive if Larry leaves the league again. Nobody is going to want to join a win-now league with a team full of minor leaguers available.

I say the deal needs to be reworked. Ethier is nice, but there needs to be another Major League Ready Talent coming back to the Brewers.

[cardinals]

wow my adversaries agree with me, im tearing up over here fellas.

[brewersgm]

I will tell everyone now and i dont want people to vote one way or the other because of this, but i offered up Halladay to the whole league. I had about 8 or 9 offers. This was by far the best offer. Most were pure laughable. I would post some of them but dont want to offend the GMs that made the offers...After running about 15 seasons, i saw that i had no chance of making the playoffs, and really no way to acquire talent to push me to that level... So, playing for next year is my only chance to try and win. As for Halladay being a top 5 pitcher, i would agree he is very good, i have him as the 7th best pitcher, but he is a little older then the other guys on my list and has had serious arm problems in the last couple of years. I think i got some serious talent. Ethier is very young and already sims good and i think will for years to come. You can question morales because he pitches in Colorado, but i have faith in him. Longoria is going to be a stud, everyone who knows prospects thinks so, and to say Inman is a throw in is stupid in my opinion. Look at his stats, and scouts are very high on him... Anyways if this trade is rejected, then i definitely cant and wont want to be in this league. I know about the win now, but when you take over a so so team with so so talent, how do you do it?

[bishdaddy]

Just because you didn't get a decent offer doesn't mean you have to make a deal. The deal's horrific, the kind that assures you'll be in last place in the Central 2-3 years in a row. Halladay is not on the verge of retirement, how is he not part of a rebuilding process. If Inman or Morales turns into an average major league starter, you'll be lucky.

[draysgm]

bishdaddy said:

Just because you didn't get a decent offer doesn't mean you have to make a deal. The deal's horrific, the kind that assures you'll be in last place in the Central 2-3 years in a row. Halladay is not on the verge of retirement, how is he not part of a rebuilding process. If Inman or Morales turns into an average major league starter, you'll be lucky.

Morales is not Halladay ... but he will be a major league SP. What is not to like about a 20-year-old lefty who can touch 98, has a curveball that shows true potential and already occasionally mixes in a raw but effective changeup? Morales struck out 10.46 batters per nine innings in High-A Modesto and he also compiled a 1.40 WHIP (.223 BAA and 179K/89BB in 154 IP if you prefer it that way). Those are legit numbers. Morales probably will likely start 2007 at AA and it is not at all unrelastic to believe he will move up to AAA and possibly even Coors this year.

Rockies G.M. Dan O'Dowd can hardly contain his enthusiasm about the 20-year-old Venezuelan, whose 179 strikeouts (again in only 154 innings) were the most in the organization. "He's a left-handed starting pitcher who has (Francisco) Liriano-type ability," O'Dowd says, then adds, "That might be stretching it a little bit, but he's got a lot of ability."

Rockies Asst. G.M. Bill Geivett is high on Morales: "We consider him one of the guys with a high ceiling in our organization. There are very few guys with his kind of ability in the Minor Leagues -- not more than three guys with Morales' ability that are left-handed. He's at 98 miles per hour with his fastball, can flash a 'plus' [above-average] curveball, and a real good changeup."

[bishdaddy]

89 BB is what's not to like, shows a lack of command. If he keeps walking 5 guys a game, he's not gonna be more than 5th starter who throws hard. For this trade to work one of these guys is going to have to become an ace.