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Post by Administrator on Jul 6, 2007 10:28:32 GMT -5
The Orioles trade Brad Penny and Adam Laroche to the Mets for JJ Hardy and Sean Marshall.
This trade is approved and in the database.
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Post by brewersgm on Jul 10, 2007 10:35:38 GMT -5
Wow, what a bad trade for the orioles
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Post by Orioles on Jul 10, 2007 10:40:58 GMT -5
Oh, please elaborate.
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Post by braves on Jul 10, 2007 13:11:27 GMT -5
Laroche for Hardy is Ok, but Penny for Marshall...not so much!!! The Mets didn't need anymore help.
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Post by brewersgm on Jul 10, 2007 14:51:49 GMT -5
Thanks for backing up my point. Penny is one of the best pitchers in baseball this year and Laroche sims great and is a very good spect
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Post by Mariners on Jul 10, 2007 15:45:35 GMT -5
Pitchers come and go, it's nearly impossible to get a quality shortstop. In another league, I've been trying to trade for one for almost 2 years. Kudos Mark, nice job.
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Post by padresgm on Jul 10, 2007 16:26:26 GMT -5
I think there's a distinction between a truly bad trade, and disagreeing with a trade simply because you wouldn't have made it in the same situation.
In this case, I don't think it's a bad trade. Hardy is one of the brightest young shortstops in the league not named Hanley or Jose, and Penny is pitching out of his mind right now...he's due to come back to earth at some point in time. Adam LaRoche...well, there's about 50 players just like him out there, so he's not a significant loss.
IMO this is a good trade for both sides.
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Post by Giants on Jul 10, 2007 21:42:03 GMT -5
I don't look at this as a pitcher for pitcher and position player for position player. You have to look at it as talent vs. talent.
I'd rather have Hardy than Penny, and Laroche over Marshall. The talent difference is basically the same in my opinion. And each team filled a need they wanted to address, Mets get a good SP and the O's get a future stud SS. Win-win, both GMs did well.
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Post by Orioles on Jul 11, 2007 1:58:33 GMT -5
I always enjoy the banter regarding deals that I make. I've been in the league for seven months now and have made a few deals. I haven't been able to acquire a proven, young stud pitcher with any of the players I inherited, though I've been close a couple of times. Nobody has given my veteran players much weight in trade proposals, so I've adopted a new strategy. I've filled in my position players with young studs (Howie Kendrick, JJ Hardy, Joey Votto, Carlos Quentin, etc.) and have been stockpiling good pitching prospects through trades, free agent signings and the draft, in hopes that a few will stick. Obviously, I won't make an impact this year, but, hopefully, next year I will have flexibility to be more competitive. I've never been high on Penny, though he has had a great MLB season this year. He has a habit of fading or getting injured in the second half. I believe LaRoche had a career season last year, and he will settle into a more MLB average stat profile. Plus, I have Joey Votto waiting in the wings. Through trading Penny (and Westbrook before, a slightly above average starter) hopefully, I have a JJ Hardy to Howie Kendrick double play combo for years to come. I'll work on starters later. Maybe a deadline deal? Griffey is looking good for SIM next year again.
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Post by Mets GM on Jul 11, 2007 12:16:26 GMT -5
Had this not been a win-now league, I would have kept Hardy and Marshall.
Hardy will have considerable trade value this offseason, and I'd rather put him in a deal involving a player of Cole Hamels caliber.
Never been a Penny fan...he's always been a 1st half pitcher, but with Schilling & Padilla both getting injured at the same time, I had to grab a vet starter.
I've never liked Laroache, but I'll take him in a win-now league, and have him to trade in the offseason.
Had Schilling/Padilla not been injured, I'd still have Hardy/Marshall right now...So I think it's win-win for what each team needed.
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