an old trade revisited

[brewersgm]

When i first rejoined the league, i took over a mediocre team. One of my big pieces being Roy Halladay. I traded him and received alot of crap about it. Let look at how i made out and see what people think now.

Brewers trade Roy Halladay and Sean Rodriguez
Padres trade Evan Longoria, Franklin Morales, Andre Ethier and Will Inman.

This was a quote one GM had said. Which got me to this post..

"I am personally tired of reading your whinings about this trade, the only way to evaluate a trade is to wait and see. If halladay goes down next week and has season ending or career ending injury, are you going to complain that the brewers got 3 prospects and a young outfielder for nothing and we need to review that?"

[Administrator]

I'm not sure what your point is, two of the guys you got are still in the minors and the other two haven't exactly solidified themselves as all-stars yet. Meanwhile Halladay as won 32 games in the last two seasons with an ERA of about 3 1/2.

The hype has grown around a couple of these guys but the production still favors Halladay and more to the point the value of SP in a sim league.

[oakland]

Here is the other trade you made involving one of those players involved in that deal as well.

Brewers trade #1 overall pick, Felix Pie, Luke Hochevar and Andre Ethier to the
Padres for Carlos Zambrano and Gorkys Hernandez

So really the top guy you got in that deal you gave back to the same team, along with basically David Price and Felix Pie for Zambrano who is possibly the same caliber as Halladay. So lets look at it that way.

All in all in those two deals this is how it would look you gave up the following

Roy Halladay
Sean Rodriguez
David Price
Felix Pie
Luke Hochevar
Andre Ethier

and you got

Carlos Zambrano
Evan Longoria
Franklin Morales
Will Inman
Gorkys Hernandez

Now look at it and see if you think you got the better deal. I think I would go with what Jason got.

It was a nice try though.

[brewersgm]

Actually as a whole i think it is pretty close, Jason may have made out a little bit but not much.

As for the first trade i think your crazy if you dont see me winning that trade. Morales had a very nice rookie season last year. Ethier is still the same type of player, nothing great, but solid, Longoria is a top 5 spect in baseball and Inman is still on the right path.

If you think Zambrano is similar to Halladay, i will gladly take a similar package for him.

[brewersgm]

Roy Halladay=Zambrano
David Price=Morales(especially in sim)
Luke Hochevar=Will Inman(inman sims better)
Felix Pie=Gorkys Hernandez(pie a little further along, might be a hair better, but not a fan)
Andre Ethier<Longoria(would rather have longoria then ethier and rodriguez
Sean Rodriguez

So how do i lose out in this trade

[Mets GM]

I didn't think the values were far off, but don't tell me that Gorkys has as high of a ceiling as Pie, or Inman will be close to Hochevar or Morales will be = to Price....I think those assessments are off.

You don't have to look far to see Zambrano's declining K rates & increasing walk rates, but that's mostly a product of a 26 year old with 1200 major league innings under his belt already.

If Longoria is more Ryan Braun than Josh Fields, none of these trades are unfair. They equal elite commodities for high ceiling investments. It's not apples to apples.

[brewersgm]

---First, i only brought up the original trade, someone else decided to combine them. I think i got a steal in the original deal.
---I think Longoria, Ethier, Morales and Inman are much more valueable then Halladay and Sean Rodriguez.

---I will answer your questions on the combined trade though
---I agree Pie has a higher ceiling then Hernandez, because of the power(i dont see either being superstars though)
---I do on the other hand think that Inman will be as good as Hochevar. I am not a fan of his at all and I am a big Inman fan.
---Will Price be better then Morales, i would say more then likely yes. But how long before he sims better then Morales?
---As for Zambranos declining K rate i do see that, but at the time, Halladays health was a big concern of mine and Z still sims very good even with his walks.