Giants/Tigers Trade

[Administrator]

Giants receive:
Carlos Quentin

Tigers receive:
Jermaine Dye
#4 overall pick (from Minnesota)

This trade is approved and in the database.

[TwinsGM]

huh?

[Mets GM]

are you sure it wasn't Dye for Quentin & 4th overall? That's the only way this makes sense.

[tigersgm]

Nope...I have the #8 overall, so couldn't have done that

[Administrator]

Twins traded the #4 pick to the Giants in a deal and the Giants traded it to the Tigers.


See the approved trade between the Twins and Giants. (Twins got the #1 as part of the deal)

[draysgm]

admin said:

Giants receive:
Carlos Quentin

Tigers receive:
Jermaine Dye
#4 overall pick (from Minnesota)

This trade is approved and in the database.

Wow - This is not an objection! This is congratulations to the Tigers ... Dye, d**n close to the AL MVP last year with 44 HR and 128 RBIs along with his .315/.385/.622 line, and the 4th pick (potentially Longoria, Rowell or Kershaw) for Quentin with 9 HR and 32 RBIs along with his .253/.342/.530 line. At least Quentin is younger.

Bottom line - in this league I agree with the Marineers GM ... the rules indicate "balls out to win this year!"

[tigersgm]

Thank you, although Kelly is no slouch in SF...

I really think that Quentin could be one of the top 10-15 OFers starting next year and for a long time. He really is something special.

[Giants]

Like the M's said, no one needs to explain themselves, but since there is some concern...........

This trade was completed after several offers were exchanged from both sides, we both completed the deal with much thoughtful negotiation. I wanted Quentin and I got him, at an admitted high price.

Being that this is my 10th trade since joining the league and none of my previous trades were questioned as lop-sided on either end, I'd like to think I know what I'm doing and everyone else would think so as well.

Good luck to all.
Kelly SFG

[draysgm]

giants said:

Like the M's said, no one needs to explain themselves, but since there is some concern...........

This trade was completed after several offers were exchanged from both sides, we both completed the deal with much thoughtful negotiation. I wanted Quentin and I got him, at an admitted high price.

Being that this is my 10th trade since joining the league and none of my previous trades were questioned as lop-sided on either end, I'd like to think I know what I'm doing and everyone else would think so as well.

Good luck to all.
Kelly SFG

I have dealt with Kelly and I respect his judgement as a GM ... Dye for Quentin is a good trade for both sides. I am just of the opinion that the inclusion of that draft pick makes this a better trade for the Tigers as they regain the youth and potential high reward they gave up in Quentin.

I am offering my opinion, not an objection!

[tigersgm]

Once again, not explaining myself, just talking shop.

Next season will be Dye's age 33 season. He put up sick numbers for sure, but he'll be breaking down shortly with the type of body he has, especially as age hits him. The #4 pick is a nice piece to have, but as far as offense goes, this draft doesn't have a Carlos Quentin, yet. The best hitters are Longoria, who worries me because Tampa Bay is where prospects go to die unless they're Delmon Young, and Travis Snider and Billy Rowell, who are high school hitters that are 2-3 years away.

And if anyone tells you that there's such thing as a for sure bet in the draft, go ask Brien Taylor what he thinks of that. Or all those people who were upset at the Twins for taking Joe Mauer before Mark Prior.

I don't think I would've traded Quentin for even price. That would make no sense for a player the caliber of and with the potential that Carlos has. Kelly has admitted he paid a steep price, but he went out, got a player he likes, and was willing to pay the price.

I think there's something to say for developing a plan and sticking to it.

[draysgm]

tigersgm said:

Once again, not explaining myself, just talking shop.

Next season will be Dye's age 33 season. He put up sick numbers for sure, but he'll be breaking down shortly with the type of body he has, especially as age hits him. The #4 pick is a nice piece to have, but as far as offense goes, this draft doesn't have a Carlos Quentin, yet. The best hitters are Longoria, who worries me because Tampa Bay is where prospects go to die unless they're Delmon Young, and Travis Snider and Billy Rowell, who are high school hitters that are 2-3 years away.

And if anyone tells you that there's such thing as a for sure bet in the draft, go ask Brien Taylor what he thinks of that. Or all those people who were upset at the Twins for taking Joe Mauer before Mark Prior.

I don't think I would've traded Quentin for even price. That would make no sense for a player the caliber of and with the potential that Carlos has. Kelly has admitted he paid a steep price, but he went out, got a player he likes, and was willing to pay the price.

I think there's something to say for developing a plan and sticking to it.

I don't disagree, in principal, with anything you state above ... nor do I disagree with Kelly wanting and getting a good, potentially very good, player in Quentin.

The reality is that the DMB projections are weighted formulas based largely on the player's previous three years. Unless Dye goes on the DL for an extended period of time and is unable to play in the IYFBL, his numbers in this league will be very good for at least the next three years. By then Longoria, Rowell and/or Snider should be about the stage that Quentin is at in the DMB database this year. Meanwhile I would expect Quentin's numbers in real life, and thus in this league to improve as well. It is just because of the inclusion of that high of pick and the dynamics of SIM baseball (versus fantasy roto or HTH) that I believe this trade favors the Tigers.

More power to both GMs for having the desire to improve their teams and following through on their respective visions to do so!