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Post by padresgm on Feb 26, 2007 18:00:08 GMT -5
Nobody is saying that Reyes isn't a prime talent. But we are saying that what he did in 06 is completely out of line with his history of production. His level of improvement on every level is just about unprecedented.
As far as the age argument being used, Reyes is only one year younger than Cano, so that's a moot point.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:02:54 GMT -5
it is not a moot point when people, like you, are saying he can't improve and let's just say he DOESN'T improve (which age/trends indicate). But lets say he chills where he is. he's the best leadoff man in baseball and easily one of the top SS in baseball. not even close to a good enough return for him.
and yes, astros pretty much said he isn't a prime talent.
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Post by oakland on Feb 26, 2007 18:05:27 GMT -5
I am through with your so called wisdom.
"do you realize that there is no chemistry built with your players on your computer? they are just names and numbers, nothing more, nothing less. so yes, assembling the players with the best numbers, in a game that takes numbers to win, is the key to winning, not bogus "chemistry" in a computer simulation."
I dont remember saying any d**n word about chemistry. I talked about players playing together as a team. Which means if you put all power hitters on a team they would be a f**king joke, much like your team. If you put all speed guys on a team they would be a joke. If you put all defensive guys on a team, wheres the offense, and yup you guessed theyd be a joke. Same goes for offense. Look at some of the team that play poorly in this league. Well lets just take the Cardinals for an example. One of the best staffs in the league, but it came at a price to his offense, now he doesnt hit nuts. Look at Texas, he had a great offense aided by his great staff? Wrong, Staff sucked team sucked. He is at least looking at the obvious and rebuilding. So dont tell me what team is until your cap league team makes it to the bigs biatch!@
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Post by astrosgm on Feb 26, 2007 18:06:07 GMT -5
I said he has some great skills and potential, he is a prime talent. But you have to know how to use that talent consistently. Just look at Rick Ankiel. He was the top pitching prospect in the minors, got called up, had an awesome first season. And what happened after that season when everyone thought he was gonna be the best great pitcher? You know the story. Especially you Cards.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:07:58 GMT -5
you want them to play "as a team." aw, somebody wants chemistry on a computer game. how sa-weet.
my team is a f**king joke? in case you haven't noticed, I added tulowitzki, konerko, carlos lee and andy marte to my offense this year numbnuts to go along with the best staff in the league. add that with Delmon young and an alright Coco Crisp and my team has more talent in my top ONE player than your whole team. oh yeah, I have zambrano, harden, willis and verlander too. what do you have? jack nuts.
who do you have on your team that matches ANY of those guys talent? none. not one.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:09:03 GMT -5
I said he has some great skills and potential, he is a prime talent. But you have to know how to use that talent consistently. Just look at Rick Ankiel. He was the top pitching prospect in the minors, got called up, had an awesome first season. And what happened after that season when everyone thought he was gonna be the best great pitcher? You know the story. Especially you Cards. really, i don't recall Reyes burning out after his first season and throwing eleventy billion wild pitches, do you? i don't. so to compare Ankiel to Reyes, when Ankiel had one season and then collapsed at the end of said season, is ludacris to say the least.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:09:36 GMT -5
oh, by the way oakland- you USED to have a player that i would consider trading for on your team, one with quite a bit of value...but you dealt him away for beans.
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Post by astrosgm on Feb 26, 2007 18:10:01 GMT -5
And Reyes is a guy in which you have to have doubts, cause unlike Ankiel, he wasn't great immediately after he got called up. He had two pretty below average seasons before last year in which people even started calling him a bust. OPS' below .700. In one of those seasons he had an OBP UNDER .300! Those numbers make you have doubts about him. We all know he has great talent and he has the chance to continue doing what he did last year because of it. But I would need some more seasons like last year to completely forget about his first 2.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:12:01 GMT -5
And Reyes is a guy in which you have to have doubts, cause unlike Ankiel, he wasn't great immediately after he got called up. He had two pretty below average seasons before last year in which people even started calling him a bust. OPS' below .700. In one of those seasons he had an OBP UNDER .300! Those numbers make you have doubts about him. We all know he has great talent and he has the chance to continue doing what he did last year because of it. But I would need some more seasons like last year to completely forget about his first 2. do you not see his age? is progression not normal for ANY player? EVERY young player progresses. how old was he when he was having an OPS below 700? how old? you have got to be nutsting me to hold that against him. he held his own in the major leagues at AGE 20-22. then he broke out last year at age 23.
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Post by astrosgm on Feb 26, 2007 18:15:47 GMT -5
And Reyes is a guy in which you have to have doubts, cause unlike Ankiel, he wasn't great immediately after he got called up. He had two pretty below average seasons before last year in which people even started calling him a bust. OPS' below .700. In one of those seasons he had an OBP UNDER .300! Those numbers make you have doubts about him. We all know he has great talent and he has the chance to continue doing what he did last year because of it. But I would need some more seasons like last year to completely forget about his first 2. do you not see his age? is progression not normal for ANY player? EVERY young player progresses. how old was he when he was having an OPS below 700? how old? you have got to be nutsting me to hold that against him. he held his own in the major leagues at AGE 20-22. then he broke out last year at age 23. I have nothing against Reyes. I think he can easily continue putting up seasons similar to the one he had last year and I don't doubt his talent. But I wouldn't build a team around him based on one season, I don't care what his age is.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:16:33 GMT -5
do you not see his age? is progression not normal for ANY player? EVERY young player progresses. how old was he when he was having an OPS below 700? how old? you have got to be nutsting me to hold that against him. he held his own in the major leagues at AGE 20-22. then he broke out last year at age 23. I have nothing against Reyes. I think he can easily continue putting up seasons similar to the one he had last year and I don't doubt his talent. But I wouldn't build a team around him based on one season, I don't care what his age is. age, production, talent and scouting all point towards being able to build a team around him at this point in his career after breaking out last year. if you disagree, well then i am glad you are in my division.
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Post by Administrator on Feb 26, 2007 18:19:46 GMT -5
Didn't Cano hit .342 last year? That's pretty far from "beans" I think. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore Sox fan to devalue a player that hit .342.
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Post by astrosgm on Feb 26, 2007 18:20:45 GMT -5
I have nothing against Reyes. I think he can easily continue putting up seasons similar to the one he had last year and I don't doubt his talent. But I wouldn't build a team around him based on one season, I don't care what his age is. age, production, talent and scouting all point towards being able to build a team around him at this point in his career after breaking out last year. if you disagree, well then i am glad you are in my division. Well I'm glad I'm in a division with someone who builds a team around a player based on one season. Especially after his one good season is his third. If Reyes has one or two more years like this, then there's no doubt he would be a guy you could build around on, but I think it's a little bit premature and risky tu build around him at this point. You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:21:55 GMT -5
yes, because reyes completely fell out of the sky and that good season was completly random. lets ignore all the tools and hype and scouting reports the kid has in his favor. lets ignore the fact that he is one of the most dynamic players to come along in awhile. let's completely ignore that. lets just call him some random guy that had a good season and might be good if he continues that in two years.
sweet.
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Post by cardinals on Feb 26, 2007 18:22:44 GMT -5
Didn't Cano hit .342 last year? That's pretty far from "beans" I think. You'd have to be a pretty hardcore Sox fan to devalue a player that hit .342. its not so much devaluing cano, it's in compairison to Reyes. i think every single GM in this league would pick Reyes over Cano by a good margin. if you don't, then you're foolish.
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